Board Thread:Bible Games/@comment-29251550-20160723212758/@comment-29251550-20160727220250

Floatingaxehead wrote:

About Heaven
God's there, I certainly want to be with God and not here. I won't really be able to think about those people in Hell, though I would know with distaste that they chose against the individual I am following (however narcicistic and barbaric you may claim he is). Thankfully, we are all soveriegn just as God is, and make decisions as to where we want to be, and not merely a bunch of automated systems that have no control over their own lives. If God were truly nacisistic, he would have happily gone with that route. I know him in my personal life and from reading the bible that he is justified in his actions and truly loving even to those who abandon him.

Examples
As a biblical example, we can look at the king David we all think we know and love and how he handles women. When David had his adulterous affair with Bathsheba (as well as killing her loyal husband, and for not going to war when he should have been, as well as not being with his own wife) God didn't smite him at that very moment; rather, he diciplined him thoroughly (actively teaching him guilt) and eventually brought him to a point where David didn't even sleep with the beautiful girl that was chosen by certain individuals to take care of him in his old age. Though the way I worded it makes you think God beat him to the brink of death until he got David's unswerving obediance, as shown in the second book of Samuel, David truly takes responsibility for his actions,(2 Samuel 24:12) something he didn't do when he had his affair with Bathsheba (2 Samuel 12:1-27). In addition to this, he sings a song containig these compelling words:

"With the merciful you show yoursef merciful;

with the blameless man you show ourself blameless;

with the purified you deal purely,

and with the crooked you make yourself seem toruous." -2 Samuel 22:26-27

Certainly, it can be inferred that David is looking back to when God disciplined him in this instance. And when Jesus took it upon himself to be the final sacrifice, he provided the sacrifice to purify all those who come to him and wish to become Children of God.

A personal event would be back in high school. I had intentionally forgotten to study for an AP biology test and deeply regretted it the morning I woke up. As a result, I studied on the ride to school, and even thought about doing so in my first period AP literature class. My lit teacher, who is a nut about making sure there is time for her schedule, made a freak announcement that there wasn't anything scheduled for that day, and that students had permission to leave class if they wanted to and walk the campus. As a result, I was alone with maybe five girls who were studying (probably) for the same bio test as I was in addition to the teacher, and thus the class was silent as space, and I got the perfect opportunity to study for the test. I actually got a B it, despite still having some confusion on a few of the key topics (I am still trying to figure out Occam's Razor; I get the general topic but I don't get the application of it).

Final Words
I could say he loves you and all that stuff, but you'll certainly hold back since you have seen how he handles sin and mistook it for mishandling good people. And it may also be a fault in calling people by definition "good" since we are really all at our hearts a bunch of animals (metaphorically) who desire euphoria and sustinance, of which are things that can be obtained in random quantities but cannot be eternally maintained with all the resources of the universe, but are eternally given through relying and accepting God and the sacrifice he made to bring us to him.

Also, you claimed that the only evidence we ever want to give is the Bible. How about this:

According to the First Law of Thermodynamics, it is impossible to create or destroy matter. And yet, we are here, and most scientists assume that there was a time when there was nothing. From rotating data points to various nonsensical mechanisms, secular scientists still have not a clue how the Universe could have been created from the Big Bang. For a simple wording, 0 (a placeholder for nothing) cannot spontaneously become one (or two, or three thousand, or anything, for that matter). God spoke the universe into being, two "oceans" (the sky and the ocean), and seven time periods [expanses]. We know from archeology that there was a spontaneous burst of ocean fauna (Cambrian Explosion ) and have incomplete clues as to how it arose. Of course, it does provide evidence for Darwin's theory of Macroevolution by providing another instance to support the theory of punctuated equilibrium, but there isn't still a listed cause as to why the balance of the diversity was upset and the rapid diversifying of creatures was necessary in order to help them survive.

As for God's existence, he is a pretty big God, so I don't need to defend this point.

I understand I have wasted the better part of my afternoon typing this up, and it may waste yours to read this as well. For that I apologize in advance.

God bless,

23:29, July 26, 2016 (UTC) " God's there, I certainly want to be with God and not here" Why?

" I won't really be able to think about those people in Hell, though I would know with distaste that they chose against the individual I am following (however narcicistic and barbaric you may claim he is)." 1. Belief is not a choice, it's a compulsion beyond the realm of choice. 2. He IS narcissistic and barbaric. Have you seen what he does in the Bible?

" Thankfully, we are all soveriegn just as God is, and make decisions as to where we want to be, and not merely a bunch of automated systems that have no control over their own lives." Free will is no excuse for not helping people.

" If God were truly nacisistic, he would have happily gone with that route." He DEMANDS that people worship him.

" I know him in my personal life and from reading the bible that he  is  justified in his actions" Oh, so MURDER is justified? Is that it? HUH!?!

" and for not going to war when he should have been" That right there gives me the impression that you're pro-war.

" Certainly, it can be inferred that David is looking back to when God disciplined him in this instance" I myself don't believe in discipline. I adhere to the ideals of pacifism.

" And when Jesus took it upon himself to be the final sacrifice, he provided the sacrifice to purify all those who come to him and wish to become Children of God." But he didn't go to Hell for all eternity. If he went to Hell for all eternity, that would be a different story.

" A personal event would be back in high school. I had intentionally forgotten to study for an AP biology test and deeply regretted it the morning I woke up. As a result, I studied on the ride to school, and even thought about doing so in my first period AP literature class. My lit teacher, who is a nut about making sure there is time for her schedule, made a freak announcement that there wasn't anything scheduled for that day, and that students had permission to leave class if they wanted to and walk the campus. As a result, I was alone with maybe five girls who were studying (probably) for the same bio test as I was in addition to the teacher, and thus the class was silent as space, and I got the perfect opportunity to study for the test. I actually got a B it, despite still having some confusion on a few of the key topics" That story doesn't really prove anything.

" I could say he loves you and all that stuff, but you'll certainly hold back since you have seen how he handles sin and mistook it for mishandling good people" The thing is, whenever he punishes evil people, the lives of those who did no wrong are also affected.

" And it may also be a fault in calling people by definition "good" since we are really all at our hearts a bunch of animals (metaphorically) who desire euphoria and sustinance, of which are things that can be obtained in random quantities but cannot be eternally maintained with all the resources of the universe" But that doesn't mean none of us have good in ourselves.

" but are eternally given through relying and accepting God and the sacrifice he made to bring us to him" Again, Jesus didn't go to Hell for all eternity.

" Also, you claimed that the only evidence we ever want to give is the Bible" Well it is.

" According to the  First Law of Thermodynamics, it is impossible to create or destroy matter. And yet, we are here, and most scientists assume that there was a time when there was nothing. From rotating data points to various nonsensical mechanisms, secular scientists still have not a clue how the Universe could have been created from the Big Bang." You can't have something from nothing.

" God spoke the universe into being, two "oceans" (the sky and the ocean), and seven time periods [expanses]" You can't "speak" something into existence.

" As for God's existence, he is a  pretty big God, so I don't need to defend this point." Do you have a photo?

" I understand I have wasted the better part of my afternoon typing this up, and it may waste yours to read this as well. For that I apologize in advance." Always happy to debate.