Board Thread:Bible Questions/@comment-29487450-20161223021635

Do you  really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that war shouldn't be the first reaction to a disagreement or conflict in foreign affairs?

Do you  really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that raping or molesting other men, women, and children is evil?

Do you  really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that murdering or torturing others is atrocious?

Do you  really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that not allowing others to live their lives without the interference of others when what they're doing isn't a threat to your own life is unnecessary and wrong?

Do you  really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that blatantly destroying the trust of others through lies, infidelity, or theft is immoral?

Do you  really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that abusing your child or significant other physically, mentally, emotionally, or verbally is cruel?

Do you  really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that should care for those less fortunate than you?

Do you  really need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that you should attempt to understand the plights of others rather than accuse them of being at fault for every burden they're dealing?

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Do you  really<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;"> need Jesus (or any god) to tell you that tolerance and peace will lead to a more progressive society - not selfishness and unfounded bigotry and hatred?

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Well, before you say,  "That's exactly why you need to believe in Jesus"<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">,  I<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;"> don't believe in Jesus or follow any religious doctrine and yet I know all of this.

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Explain to me how I'm a good person without needing to subscribe to a religion, attend or donate to church, or pray every night?

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">The way I see it,  no one<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;"> needs to believe in Jesus or a god to be a good person. It is just a method of appealing to our unfortunately selfish, materialistic, entitled mindset that we have to be rewarded for being good to one another - that eternal paradise is your reward if you do good deeds in your mortal life.

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">I don't need to do a good thing or be nice to others to then justify it like so many do with  "Jesus would have done this."<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;"> I do good things because it's the  right<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;"> thing to do.

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Some of you may even argue with  "Well, our laws teach the same thing. How come you're not against them?"<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Well, you need to know that we shouldn't have laws either.

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">But unlike religious morals, these laws are in place to discourage amoral people from hurting you, and if they do, they're punished thoroughly for it.

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">To argue that your Christian laws are as important as government-enforced laws is to say that no one has ever done evil while believing in your religious teachings.

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">And please, do not argue the  "Then they're not real Christians"<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;"> No-True-Scotsman fallacy. They  are<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;"> "real" Christians because they say they are. Who are you to say that they're not - because they did something that was against what your god teaches?

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Then that would mean there is no such thing as a "real" Christian - that the only "real" Christian that existed was also the one who died with nails in his hands.

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">If you need a daily or weekly reminder of what is right and wrong - that what you're doing could have negative consequences on others - when it should come to you almost instinctively, then that means there's something wrong with  you<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">. Not those who don't "accept and love" Jesus but "need to".

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">I see it as you admitting that you will go out and cruelly hurt others in some fashion for your own selfish desires if you didn't believe in Jesus.

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<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">Do  not<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;"> come here, attempting to engage me and others in a debate about your beliefs only to then block me because you don't like where the conversation is going.

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">I will not tolerate that level of asshattery and childishness on the thread.

<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">This is an adult topic,  so act like an adult<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:12px;">. If you can't handle the heat of a mature debate when no one is even insulting you or attacking you - if you're under this self-deluded belief that you're entitled to have your say without criticism - then you need to leave right now. <ac_metadata title="From a Logical Standpoint ..." related_topics="Yahweh|God|Jesus|Demons"> </ac_metadata>