Thread:Superdadsuper/@comment-14847494-20151204023742/@comment-27437373-20160101212207

SouthWriter wrote: Indeed, "war" requires death. And that is exactly what happened by way of free moral agency. There is no stopping one bent on destroying the very structure of what makes it possible to rebel. Such rebellion must end in death. It is a war of rebellion -- a revolution against God. I never said anyone "sent himself to hell." Anyway you are just playing with words, because "sending oneself" is just a way of saying "choosing the path." Logically, it is committing oneself to the journey.

You do not seem to understand war, for all wars are won on the "tachtical suicide" of facing deadly force at risk of loss. Lives are lost in every earthly war, and battles are often won because sacrifices are made. They give medals for that kind of things. In the war against God, no one has a chance! The only champion that can take on the Almighty is "the Word made flesh" -- the Lord Jesus Christ.

It is ironic that you use an argument against the God you don't seem to believe in favor of a god that you think you can understand. When you say "he shouldn't've created them," it is a reflection of your finite understanding of the universe onto what you can understand.

If you continue to hold to a secondary, derived, meaning of "forgiveness," then you will never be open to how very "awesome" actual forgiveness is.

I know how this kind of stuff works. Forgiveness isn't war. If they're choosing a path, then they're not really sending themselves to do it (not in the literal sense) but the person offering it does that, even if the person given the offer chose it. I don't believe in any God. It's not a matter of understanding, it's a matter of morality. Free moral agency doesn't require death. I don't make sacrifices so I can forgive everyday problems. Sacrifices are for bigger problems.