Board Thread:Bible Games/@comment-29251550-20160723212758/@comment-29251550-20160724142608

SouthWriter wrote: "Andiwont," I saw this discussion and thought I would add a bit to what FA had to say.

Anyway, you do not seem to have any grasp on figures of speech. To be a "child" does not have to be a physical link between two entities. As a matter of fact, the concept of "adoption" is very much at the forefront in the relationship that believers have with their heavenly Father.

We think way too much of ourselves if we thing for a moment that we have anything to do with our becoming children of God. Just like with our earthly parents, we don't have a choice in the matter. What the Bible calls "new birth" is an act of God in a person's life. It is plain that no one comes to God that unless God's Holy Spirit creates within that person the desire to come.

You're facetious user name is at once nonsense (since you do not believe in prayer) and statement of hate towards those you do not know. To say that you "won't pray" for someone (if you had standing to do so) is to declare that the person who asked for prayer (or offered a prayer for you) is not worth the bother).

If you have not ever had anyone offer proof for God from nature or logic, then you have not been looking very hard. Besides, when God DID reveal himself in bodily form in the person of Jesus no one believed him. Even his followers gave up on Him until He arose from the grave.

Before Jesus came, the majesty of the Creator was so far too much for a human to look upon and live. Even now, seeing God as He truly is is far more than a finite mind can stand. Only those changed to be like the resurrected Jesus (a state that will come at the day of Judgment) can look fully into the full being of the Father.

As far as "keeping God in a box," I think what FA means is that you have an inadequate idea of what or who God is. If you continue to think of God as a fantasy, then you will likely not change your mind. All any of us who wish you the best in this life and the next can do is pray that you will be softened by God Himself. If and when God moves you, you will know what I mean.

Grace, Peace and Love, A believer, SouthWriter (talk) 03:22, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

PS See my personal greeting on your talk page. Firstly, my username is a reference to a heavy metal song, secondly, you can't just reveal yourself once and expect people to believe in you in the future without revealing yourself again, and using a book to back up claims doesn't really prove anything, thirdly, how is my idea of God inadequate, I've read of his actions in the Bible, fourthly, how do you expect me to believe in him if he doesn't reveal himself in this day and age, fifthly, I don't think there will be any "moving", and sixthly and most importantly, prayer is just words, it doesn't work.