Board Thread:Bible Questions/@comment-29487450-20161223021635/@comment-5175866-20161223162845

You are completely right that I don't need to have faith in God or Jesus to know right from wrong. Whether or not you realized what you said actually reinforces a very Scriptural principle.In particular Romans 2:14-15 is one of the clearest and most applicable explainations of what you said about not needing to know God (reading the verses before and after is also helpful). Those versed discuss how the Gentiles (the Non-Jews who had virtually no familarity with the Bible) often acted as if they knew the law (the moral "laws", ascribed by the Ten Commandments). Several more places in the Bible affirm that God's law is written on the hearts of humans.

This is in reference to the moral law (not the regulatory law of sacrifices). Infact even before God wrote the moral law down through the Ten Commandments there was some recongition. A biblical example is Cain. When Cain became angry at Abel, God warned him that sin was "crouching at his door" with no specific allusion to murder whatsoever. Furthermore once Cain killed Abel he lied about the wereabouts of Abel (trying to hide his wrongdoing). Once Cain is exiled and sent into a life of nomadity, he asks God for protection, because he was afraid someone would kill him in repercussion for his murder. . The Ten Commandments were not yet established, God had not specifically told anyone that murder was wrong. Cain was fearful that someone would find him and kill him in consequence to the wrong he did.

A principle you mentioned in your initial thread about Christians perfectly following the law is not at all biblical. Infact one of the most basic ideals of Christianity is completely opposite, in recongition that everyone (myself included) has disobeyed the laws of God. The ideas you have posted (though I will say you did it sort of redundantly and your format may lead people to percieve this thread as bad-intentioned; I will let you know that for yourself) are correct in we don't require direct knowledge of God to know the laws. His laws are written on the heart of man. The core premise of Christianity is not to be perfect and righteouss, but recongize we are not righteouss.

The reason why threads are closed and blocked is because of the repeated examle of either no evidence, or mal intent. It does not often appear by the wording of your threads that you have any intention to accept evidence that is given. You continually make statements but do not give strong evidence or logical arguments. Usually you are re-stating common misconceptions or being redundant in your wording (like listing out every deed that is wrong). Your thread doesn't seem to have any end goal.

I will not block you on this account (unless of course it gets out of hand). I will say I don't quite see the endpoint of your thread(s), except for trying to pin down those who believe in the Bible as hypocrites. I encourage you to look at the Scripture verses I referenced for all the evidence I gave in what a Christian would believe and what the Bible would teach. You are absoloutely correct in your statement about morality without God, but you should realize Scripture affirms that directly. This does not mean a Christian can and should live a part from God. The only thing that makes a Christian righteouss is through faith in Jesus Christ, not the things we have done on their own.

In Christ,

Superdadsuper, Bible Wiki Administrator & Bureaucrat